• Putrid-Initiative809@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    But does he give 100% tho? He’s slow on and off the ball and lacks any vision or finishing - areas he could prepare & train for. I’m assuming he’s starting games to get him into form but so far it’s been v poor.

    I want all Arsenal players to flourish but this dude is being carried by a really good team atm 🤷‍♂️

  • _ISD_14@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Not a fan of Kai at all but I’m glad the players gave him a pen and the fans are chanting for him

    I hope we keep doing that even when the team isn’t as good

  • Super_Professor@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Nobody wants any players to fail. We are just tired of some of you ignoring the blatant mediocrity that some of these players continue to show.

    • Isfeidirlinn90@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Yeah this. Any fan wanting a player for their club to outright fail are idiots. I understand and agree with fans wanting a player to do well, especially when the player in question is struggling. But there’s no doubt that fans on this sub are outright lying to themselves when it comes Havertz. He’s been poor to average since he joined and outright passenger. Granted he has been getting more involved recently but the bar has been set incredibly low.

    • NotHarryRedknapp@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Nobody wants any players to fail

      nah there are plenty of people who have committed to hating Havertz and don’t want to be proven wrong

    • TWKcub@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I just don’t get what is to be gained as a supporter from pointing out ‘blatant mediocrity’. And that’s without querying what your standards of mediocrity are.

      We’re off the back of a title challenging season, very clearly in the midst of another one, one of our new players hasn’t hit the ground running as much as we’d like, and there is a decent portion of our ‘fanbase’ who can’t leave the topic alone, and show zero signs of wanting to support him.

      You choose to follow the game and who to support, you acknowledge as a competitive sport that there are going to be highs and lows, and yet the only burning topic some people can come up with is how disappointed they are? Choose another bloody hobby.

      And anyone who says ‘I want him to succeed I’m just tired of this’ or anything to that effect is being completely disingenuous. To look at how we’re playing now compared to the VERY recent past and acting like we’re not being spoilt is frankly bizarre.

      • tipzyt@alien.top
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        1 year ago

        Your last paragraph is the difference between a winning mentality and pure losers.

        We have been playing better football than when we were 5th and 8th but thats not hard to do. How are we spoilt for wanting to be better than last season? It’s a fact we are playing worse this season due to the lack of progression in the midfield.

        People like you dont hold the players or club accountable because you think back to when we were shit, its like a beaten housewife.

        Who are you to tell people to go and find a new hobby because their ambition for the club is higher than yours. Some people want to win things and not be happy to be there.

  • JadAlSahili@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I love kai, having liked him since early Leverkusen days and being pissed he went to chelsea in the first place.

    Arsenal fans are reactive to say the least and impatient is the kindest i can put it, remember how long it took xhaka to win them over.

  • Hoker7@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I’m still not sure, but want to see him do well. No doubt he is trying hard.

    Those who want to write him off already should get in the bin.

  • milkonyourmustache@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Some Arsenal fans would rather see him fail, even at our expense. The reality is that we’ve taken a gamble on him, we don’t need him to be scoring and assisting right away, and he is definitely working hard defensively which has contributed to why we’re better defensively overall this season. He will need to improve when it comes to his attacking contributions, but in the meantime we back him and trust Arteta to make the right personnel decisions.

    It’s my personal hope that ESR can get his injury/fitness issues finally resolved but that day may never come.

    • dirtshow@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Took three managers and four years to realize they had to move him up the pitch but go off

    • tipzyt@alien.top
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      1 year ago

      Who rated xhaka outside of that 1 season? Who rates kai havertz now? Are you delusional? Do you think you are special seeing something that is jot there? Are you on your medication?

  • MFmadchillin@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Idk. Everyone has a right to complain about whatever it is they don’t like, just like I have the right to say I absolutely love Kai’s attitude and as someone that manages people, there’s certain qualities that will always stick out. Even if you aren’t performing 100%, you’re still giving 100% effort.

    • ProfesvanNostrand@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      but that is simply not how things work at the highest lvl of football. It does not matter if someone is giving 100% effort, if what he puts out there is not good enough he should not play, as it will fuck up the team.

      There are so many cool, nice people here on r gunners, who love the club and would go on the pitch and die for Arsenal, no doubt, but they should not play, as they are not good enough.

      He seems like a nice guy, you cannot fault his effort, true, but he is not good enough and should not be on the pitch until he gets too that lvl. And this is not the banter era, we do not have 3-4 years to give him as we did Xhaka, so he can have 1 good year. Havertz has been in the PL for 3 years, he is the second highest paid player on the team, he cost the team 65 mil, he has not fixed any of the problems we got him here to fix, and now as you can see we have to do loan/buy deals to get in new players as we are in the FFP limit. The harsh reality is, he needs to perform or he needs to be moved on. Simple as that. And he needs to do it fast.

    • MozzyTheBear@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Even aside from that, there’s a lot off the ball and a lot defensively that he truly has done very well for us. Plus his size and ability to play multiple positions will be valuable going forward. He always looks like he’s lacking confidence with the ball, but hopefully that can come along with time while he tries to assimilate and become more comfortable.

      Everyone likes to compare him to Xhaka, but they compare him to Xhaka only after multiple seasons with Arteta and skipping past plenty of growing pains. Kai has only played 1/3 of a season here ffs.

      • MFmadchillin@alien.topBEnglish
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        1 year ago

        That Xhaka point is the most crucial one given the context. Many people wrote him off. Plenty of people saw the player in there but we didn’t have the squad to get it out of him and then one day we did. And he thrived.

        Kai clearly does what Arteta asks and if you are someone that is doing exactly what you are coached to do, then I’m sorry but you are playing games.

    • Aggressive_Salad_293@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I’ll happily manage someone with a positive attitude and strong work ethic who is half as competent as someone with a poor attitude or who thinks they know better.

      • ProfesvanNostrand@alien.topBEnglish
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        1 year ago

        i don’t get you guys. this is not a tech company, its simply not how things work. He has to perform on the pitch, all the other stuff, him being a nice guy, easy to manage etc…that come wwwaaay down the line. Most important thing is how he plays on the pitch. So far, for being the second highest paid guy on the team, and with a price tag of 65 mil he has been shit. No more, no less, call a spade a spade. He needs to pick things up, no matter how nice of a guy he is, this is not good enough.

    • daesmon@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Hmm a top voted post stating that everyone has the right to complain, surely that means both posts critical and praising of Havertz will be treated the same for the rest of the post…

  • chostax-@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Good attitude, but gotta repay the faith. I’ll give him to either the end of the season or if we fall out of the title race, whichever is first.

  • monsieur_no1@alien.topBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    His start at Arsenal reminds me a lot of Giroud tbh. You can tell he feels the pressure of needing to perform immediately while knowing patience is limited, and he’s been solid from the beginning and improving every week, away at Newcastle he looked great imo, once he feels comfortable in the team and has gained the trust of fans I think he will fly.

    • artaru@alien.topBEnglish
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      1 year ago

      There are countless cases.

      Nacho, Koscielny, Alex Song and many others were all so hated when they first started but slowly came around to become great squad members.

      • Philefromphilly@alien.topBEnglish
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        1 year ago

        I really think it’s his price tag that’s the issue. I don’t think he’ll ever live up to it, but he’ll come good, and wee going to look back at now and think we were crazy to doubt him

      • tipzyt@alien.top
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        1 year ago

        Just wondering, when these players came in were we in a title race? Did they have the benefit of starting slow due to the fact that we could afford to lose points?