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    How to turn a “must-play game” into trash no one wants in less than 24 hours. Good job. Makes me feel sorry for the poor devs who poured their hearts & souls into it only to have the suits fuck it up - again.

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      Yup, I’ll wait 4 years or whatever until it’s released as “Dragon’s dogma 2, darker arisen, game of the year edition” with all the dlc and microtransactions baked in on a steam sale or some such

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          I’m pretty mixed on this. I want to support niche games like this being made. I don’t want to support using Denuvo (even if it’ll be removed eventually) or bad MTX. Also, you’ll miss the online components on a cracked version, which is really cool in DS1 at least and I think even better in 2 from what I’ve heard.

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            The thing to me is, I don’t want the online experiences in most of my single player games. I turned off invasions and messages in DS. I could care less about someone else’s experience bleeding into mine, most invasions were annoying and messages were memes. For DD, let me build my pawn, pick from some randomly generated ones and that’s it, don’t punish me for wanting to single-play my single-player game. I don’t mind DLC that is purely a time saver, some people want to pay to win, in a single player game that’s fine, as long as it’s not replacing some stupidly long grind. But at the end of the day, there are far too many “single player” games that are “connect to our server to use the thing you just bought.”

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      holy cow… no kidding! Hype was only building - and then to “reveal” the enshitification before it even enjoys release interest. wow.

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        What I’ve heard from people playing the game, is that those and everything else you could pay real money for is dirt cheap to buy and purchasable with the in game currency that you earn by playing the game and that you earn the in game currency quickly enough that you aren’t having to grind anything if you want to buy the stuff.

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          Then… Why have them real purchaseable at all, esp at launch?! Full price, single player game; makes absolutely no reasonable sense.

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            I think there’s some sort of higher-up mandate at capcom to force monetized content into their games, and the dev teams are just working around it, something like that. The same thing happens in monster hunter, street fighter 6, I think devil may cry 5, and it’s all structured in basically the exact same way, where you can either get access to stuff really quickly without paying, or the stuff you have to pay for is basically just aesthetic, or both. I think monster hunter rise even tried to do the same “pay to edit your character” thing. I still don’t think it’s a good practice, but japanese devs are gonna japanese dev, I suppose. Reminds me of fromsoft titles requiring community made performance patches, or being locked to like, 30fps as an engine requirement, shit like that.

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          Games are supposed to be fun. Forcing paying customers to do something intentionally designed to be not fun before they can have fun is stupid. I know I’m in the minority, but I straight up won’t participate in that bullshit.

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            I mean…the weak start is kind of the basis of every rpg and almost every fps in existence. You start with the crappy bb gun and then somehow you end up becoming an all powerful stealth archer, even though your game doesn’t even offer a bow to use.

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              Gaining strength through experience is fun if it’s done in a sane way is fun. Farming the same monsters over and over to unlock common feature is not. Hit the X button 4.5 million times to continue is shit.

              It’s not an accident that unlocking this stuff is tedious when there’s an option to just pay more money to do so. That’s the value proposition behind microtransactions in games: Give us money or we’ll force you to do boring shit for many hours.

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                Man. It sure sucks I only start with a water can and 500 coins in Stardew Valley. I could do so much more if I could just start with 20 upgraded sprinklers and 20,000 coins.

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      The worst part of it is that those same assholes that insisted on micro transactions will blame every other aspect of the game before admitting that it did poorly on release because of the blatant money grabbing.

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      its what japanese game companies do after a “golden era” when they come off on top. they make stupid business decisions that tank their goodwill they just earned.

      its why when a japanese game company makes it big, it almost always is followed with becoming the villian immediately after

      the sucess of monster hunter, resident evil remakes, and sf6 has gotten to their head.

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        Honestly, I might get shit for this and he was definitely an asshole, but Phil Fish was right. The Japanese game industry went through a shitty period for awhile years ago, got out of it, and then now (Capcom anyway) starts doing shit like this.

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          its just a pattern that keeps repeating.

          Sony became very aggressive and anti consumer the moment the PS4 outsold the Xbox One after being behind the shadow of the 360 for most of its life. started paying for a lot of timed exclusives, exclusive game content (e.g COD, Hogwarts Legacy), block a lot of cross platform attempts.

          Nintendo went very anti consumer after being very generous with the WiiU, and resurrecting the 3DS and releasing the sucessful, but very feature limited Switch. introduces paid online for an online service thats effectively at times, worse than the WiiU, decides to sell emulated titles either on limited time offer (Mario 3d collection) or required subscription to online, and take away browser and local save backups.

          i could keep going on with a lot of sucessful japanese game companies, but its basically the same story every fucking time.

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      It sucks because I was looking forward to the game since I liked the first DD but after seeing all the micro transactions they added into a single player game I’m going to pass on it.

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        Plus, another game with trash “always online drm” and “your profile is stored on the server” idiocy

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          It seems your profile is stored locally from what I’ve seen, but some users are too stupid to know how to use Steam Cloud. Some users have said you can’t delete your save, but you can you just need to disable cloud backup on Steam first.

          (I have no experience. I just read a lot of reviews in disappointment last night.)

          Edit: Come on guys. Stop just downvoting stuff because you don’t like that it’s not as bad as it could be. Your save is stored locally, backed up on Steam Cloud. Prove me wrong if you want to downvote. That’s fine. If you’re just downvoting because you’d rather not know the reality of the situation, what’s wrong with you?

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              Citation? I haven’t seen this at all, and I’ve been looking at quite a bit of the stuff as a fan of the first game. That’s a big accusation to make.

              People often don’t understand what they’re doing, and they blame it on things that aren’t true. Most players aren’t technologically literate enough to really know what’s causing their issues. This is the first I’ve heard of a ban, and I would suspect (though this could equally be wrong) that it isn’t because they deleted their save file and instead for doing something else, if it happened at all.

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                Denuvo detects manual file changes and if you do it too much (which doesn’t have to be that much) you get temporary locked out of playing the game (24h first offense). Look it up, this is the case on pretty much all recent denuvo games. This isn’t a “big accusation”, this is a straight fact. Using different proton versions also can get you “banned”.

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                  I tried looking it up, which is why I asked for the citation. I found nothing on the topic. I don’t know where you got it from, but “look it up” isn’t an answer. Also, the save file location should be (no knowledge on whether it is) excluded from this file manipulation detection. The game itself is constantly writting to it. If it’s detecting frequent file changes, it’d detect the game itself writting to the save file.

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        Apparently all the purchases you can buy are cheaply available in game with the in game currency, and there’s no real reason to pay real money for them unless you’re like some live streamer goob.

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    See if there wasn’t only online and Denuvo I would be able to mod that shit out. But because it has Denuvo I will wait until someone cracks it then pirate it so I can mod what features they pay walled to play how it was intended to be played by the honest developers

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      Shrug mods seemed to work for me, got 999 portcrystals and metamorphosis books and didn’t get banned, should be good now. The re engine is super easy to modify

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        I don’t think she’s the only one able, just willing. Isn’t there still someone who consistently cracks Madden games or something similar? Also fitgirl maybe, but I think that’s just repack stuff.

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    What was Capcom thinking?

    That nerds would bitch and moan and cry then buy it like they always do. Which is exactly what happened.

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        Wtf is the point of anti-cheat in a single player game? Fuck Capcom, not buying anything they put out anymore. Been wanting to play Dragons Dogma 1, since I already own it, but now I don’t even want to give them the player stat.

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    Patient gamer activated. I might revisit it when they’ve improved performance and released an ultimate or definitive edition that includes everything.

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    I was considering buying this but no longer. Game might be good but vote with your wallet to signal intolerance for greedy business practices.

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        Denuvo makes that pretty unlikely and people on steam are saying that characters are stored server side so I don’t know how that will affect piracy attempts even if denuvo is cracked.

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          I don’t have the game but I assume “characters stored server side” means other people’s pawns like in the original where you could browse through people’s weird sidekicks and recruit them to your party. Not even Monster Hunter stores characters server side, it would be a weird shift to do it now.

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      The more I read, the more shocked I am.

      They put out a damage control statement today saying that you can find these items in game too. Sounds like they’re rare though.

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        Adding this edit to the top because what the FUCK you only get one save file EVER? There’s no new game? And it costs $2 to change your character’s appearance ONE TIME? Words fail me

        Rift crystals? Is there in-game currency for this single player game?

        Edit: they have an arcade game style “insert a dollar to continue” option I’m dying

        Get out of jail free for a dollar card? The more I read the worse it gets. I’m glad I saw this before sinking more time into the first game. Good to know it’s safe to skip.

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          One save file has been a thing since the first one. There is a new game plus and you can obviously delete your save and start again. The character edit things are in game and fairly common, already have a few without looking. RC are also earned extremely easily in game and the only purpose there beyond some cosmetic glasses is to add allies into your party that are high above your level. Its just another type of gold. I have no idea what you’re talking about with the “insert dollar to continue” thing. Also the jail keys are incredibly easy to get, you can buy them for like 3000g which is very cheap (early game starter weapons are triple that). All the mtx just seem like incredibly easy and quick to get shit for people who have more money than sense.

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            One save file has been a thing since the first one.

            And it was stupid then too. No modern single player RPG should limit players to a single save file. I understand there are many great RPGs that do, and I still think they shouldn’t.

            There is a new game plus

            Making players play through tens of hours of campaign as a character that they want to delete is a pretty bad decision on capcom’s part.

            and you can obviously delete your save and start again.

            No you cannot. There is no option to delete your save data within the game. There is a workaround if you play on PC that involves turning off cloud saves, opening the game’s files and deleting your save data from the file explorer, starting a new game, then turning cloud saves back on, but that is a hack, not a feature.

            I’ve seen plenty of people say that the character customization stuff is super cheap and super available in the game. I just don’t get why it costs an in-game currency in the first place on this single player, offline rpg. Seems like it should cost nothing within the game to change your hairstyle or whatever. Like, this doesn’t even fit in with the hardcore, no fast travel stuff. It’s just a pointless in-game currency sink. Virtually every other game that allows post-creation character customization allows it for free. I just don’t see the point in making it cost something that you can pay for with real life dollars.

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        “in a truly immersive fantasy world”

        Micro transactions are there to help make you feel like more of a peasant I guess.

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        That’s… a lot of DLC for a game that hasn’t been out for not even a day.

        I know the answer is money, but these should really be part of the base game.

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          A lot of “downloadable content” for a game that requires an internet connection to play. A lot of “downloadable content” that allegedly already exists in-game. Studio execs need to be fired for this shit

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        The teleport stones called “ferrystones” are 10k gold each which is a lot.

        In Dragon’s Dogma 1 they give you a reusable one for free after feedback that they were too hard to find in the base game.

        Looks like Capcom saw a quick buck instead this time around, with a map 4 times as big this is a much bigger issue than in the original and it seems to have been done on purpose to drive MTX sales.

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          This is also probably the real reason they’re taking a harder stance against mods. Within 24 hours, there’s already a mod on Nexus that adds one of the items you can buy with real money to an early vendor for like 1 coin.

          There’s also another mod that just makes all items 1 coin, so it shouldn’t be too hard for modders to just completely circumvent the bullshit mtx.

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          10k is not a lot. Maybe in the first couple hours when you have zero need of them but by the time you need them you’ll have 100k+ in like half an hour easily. They are also given out often and easily found, I had 12 sitting in storage having bought none before I needed one. The amount of misinformation in this thread by people who never actually played this one or the first one is pathetically laughable. “DAE NEW POPULAR THING SUX IM COOL FOR NOT LIKING POPULAR THING”

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    “all you have to do is learn how to have fun while role playing as a person without any clothes (or pay five bucks)”

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    The most insane part to me still isn’t necessarily the money-grubbing shit, because capcom has been doing that in basically every game they’ve made for a while now. It’s sad to me that dragon’s dogma is kind of, the outlet for getting shit on, with this, basically because the other games they put out have built-in fanbases and engagement that are gonna ignore the monetization. But maybe they also have more easily ignored monetization, and it’s not as though dragon’s dogma doesn’t have a fanbase, even if the fanbase is much smaller than the others.

    Anyways, the thing that really baffles me about this game is that it’s not multiplayer. That seems like an obvious sell. Is there like, some idea there that they’d be cutting in on monster hunter’s turf, or something? I dunno, the pawns just seem kinda annoying, and the game, overall, seems kind of mid. I haven’t seen a large amount of it, in any case, but maybe it’s just sort of, the monetization and denuvo is kind of the final and most prominent cherry on top of a dog shit sundae, and nobody’s talking about the actual game itself being maybe more mid because of that. I dunno, though, I legitimately haven’t seen much on this game outside of this.

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    Geez! I watched the first few minutes of fightincowboy review on it and he was praising it saying the best thing since Elden Ring. I’m sure the gameplay is great, but what a way to get your game reviewed bombed for good reason. I’m sure this will go on sale soon enough if they don’t make any changes. What a disappointment, micro transactions should never exist on Single Player games let alone most games. Scummy Capcom!

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      I already clocked a handful of hours into the game, I’ve been lucky enough not to experience any issues at all with a high ish end system. I’ve been having a blast, and the game is everything I wanted it to be, but man, it’s weird seeing the rest of the internet having a bad time with it.

      Saw that someone was crashing on the first playable section of the game repeatedly and that blows to see. What really gets me is the mtx stuff, I don’t pay it any attention and Im having a great time and it hasnt been in my face one bit.

      What’s really getting me down too is seeing how people are having a bad time with the game while Im having a great time but it feels like I shouldnt be. Is anyone else experiencing something similar?

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        That was my experience playing Cyberpunk at launch while everyone was up in arms about the performance issues. I was just quietly enjoying it and knew it was just a matter of time for the devs to resolve those problems.

        I’m admittedly less patient/tolerant of microtransactions though, because they’re intentional. They’re the reason I feel like the mobile game market turned into to a cesspool.

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          Yeah I pretty much had this exact situation with Cyberpunk as well, maybe we are just lucky with our performance.

          After reading your comment though, I feel like you’re right about the microtransactions. While it does not affect me and my enjoyment of the game, it is a bad practice which ends up bringing down the reputation of an IP I like a lot, which is bad for everyone.

          Thanks for the perspective and insight!

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        If they haven’t played it, yes. You can’t “re-view” something you haven’t viewed in the first place.

        So taking an aspect of the game and writing a review of it without actually playing it is review bombing.

        I’m not saying it’s wrong to review bomb, as this deserves it. But reviews are supposed to be for those that have already consumed the product or used the service.

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          On one hand I agree with you on the other I think it’s fine to review the product from the shelf when it launched with over 40 dollars of dlc.

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            Like I said, I don’t think it’s wrong to review bomb. It’s just not an actual “review.” It’s certainly an expression or opinion of distaste, which is why it’s warranted, just not a review.

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    Holy shit, I read some of the other day that there was a bunch of garbage microtransactions but I had no idea it was this bad. And you can’t edit your characters without paying $2? What the fuck?

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      This misinfo is so widespread it hurts my brain. You can edit your character easily by buying an item in game for a negligible amount of gold. A currency which is easily obtained. Same for all the other mtx offers. Stop spreading falsehoods.

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          That’s been a part of the game design since the first one was released over a decade ago. This is literally more than ten year old news people are getting riled up about for some reason.

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      that has been a thing since monster hunter world tbh, if people are only finding about this now, they havent been playing capcom games with custom characters in the past decade.

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        It’s been a complaint every time, too. If people are only finding out about these disagreements now, they haven’t been discussing Capcom custom characters with people for the last decade.

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    i got made fun of when i said microtransactions were a slippery slope and this was gonna end up happening

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      The thing with microtransactions is that people actually buy it. And it makes gobs of money. We don’t deserve full games.

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        Whales buy it. For every 1,000 fans upset by this decision there is 1 fan who is rich enough that spending $1,000 on the game is nothing. A lot of these aggressive monetization schemes aren’t meant to make money on the average player.

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          It’s not that this monetization isn’t meant to target the average player specifically, it’s made to entice singular one-time purchases in a similar fashion to how places like Walmart work. Yes, they have the data that shows a few whales will make those transactions worth it, at the same time they are counting on catching the occasional non-whale slacking. Trick enough minnows into a net and you have the same mass as a whale.

          I know this is a small difference in context, to a business it can mean millions of additional dollars. So remember: They know whales will pay. At the same time they are expecting to catch more than a few smaller fish in the process.

          It’s up to us to prove them wrong where we can.

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    Capcom continually hamstringing themselves. With this and Street Fighter 6 having 100 dollar costume sets they can fuck all the way off. I expect RE9 to let you buy ammo for cash.

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      I mean, the RE4make let you buy weapon upgrades with cash, DMC 5 let you just buy all the currencies in game directly, I don’t even know where to begin with Monster Hunter World’s microtransactions. It’s shitty, but Capcom does this in literally all of their games now, so absolutely you’ll see dumb mtx in RE9 and Monster Hunter Rise.

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    This whole thing has blown up completely unnecessarily. Guys, it’s a SINGLE player game! Everyone one of these things can be easily unlocked in game. If you are against it, here is a crazy idea; Don’t buy them.

    The game is awesome, for anyone not blindly joining in on the circlejerk.

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      6 months ago

      So why are they in there? to prey on people?

      Maybe predatory behaviour is bad and wrong? Things can be unacceptable without them personally hurting you btw.