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Good intentions, implementation, and results here, but seriously folks, think VERY carefully about what you're doing when you tamper with something someone's putting in their body.
Do not try at home to the nth degree.
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implying anyone on 4chan gives a shit about consent
this made me really uncomfortable too, also its extremely fake, you can't 'take apart' a vape juice bottle (theyre a single piece of plastic), and no one on 4chan has a girlfriend (lol)
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Maybe the ones you use can't be taken apart but dont assume the whole world aligns to your image of it
Just be open to things possibly being different to what you experience them to be
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also its extremely fake, you can't 'take apart' a vape juice bottle (theyre a single piece of plastic),
What sketchy cheap shit are you using? I've used a vape for a decade now, and you can remove the nipple cape on every single bottle.
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I make juice and you can absolutely pop the top off’a the bottle pictured here!
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Body pillows can be girlfriends!
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Instructions unclear. Afraid to cook for gf now.
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yeah using some random "cutting solution" is how you end up with Honey Cut 2.0
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You don't use a random cutting solution, you use the same juice with no nicotine. A lot of juice makers offer 0 nic versions for people that want to just enjoy the act and flavor of vaping without the addiction, and for this specific purpose of cutting the nic level because they only offer certain increments (usually 3%, 6%, 12%), which may be too high for one's personal preference.
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Just as a thought experiment, what you'd really wanna do is change the salt nic formulation, i.e. the acidic compound which is added to freebase nicotine to convert it to a salt. This directly shapes the pharmacokinetics of the resulting nicotinic effect from vaping it, which is what leads to the common knowledge that salt nic hits harder, but doesn't last as long as freebase. That isn't universally true at all, but is a result of the salt formulations that are popular in the market.
I worked with a scientist that once formulated a 20mg/mL solution for me that had similar throat hit to the 40mg/mL products I was using & had a very steep onset curve, and I found it to still be very satisfying even immediately after swapping. It wasn't a successful product though because for the consumer, 20mg = 20mg & 40mg = 40mg
Guess my point is that the novel ways of using tech to improve weaning off nicotine using vaping do legitimately exist, but they don't have a place in a free market so we won't have it while regulators stay luddites on the issue
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For those like me who have never heard of (E)VAPI or Honey Cut and want to read a disturbing story of how illicit products may be made of pretty much anything, there's a read from Leafly
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Mixing vape juice is standard practice though. You can buy nicottine free vape juice everywhere. If you splti 50mg with nic free at 50:50 you have... 25mg! It's extremely common FYI
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Would you be saying the same thing if it was about diluting vodka with water?
...because that's what mixing vape juice with juice base is.
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This is BS. By the third or fourth bottle shed be like wtf is up with this juice?
(This reduction method helped me quit, but it's not imperceptible like that)
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I tapered off vaping using the same method, and there is a clear difference in the feeling of a pull when you cut the nicotine down. Also, you can't just "cut" the nicotine, you'd have to find some way to enhance the flavor of the diluted mix otherwise it will just get more bland. All of that being said, this is a valid strategy for kicking it. Just buy lower nicotine content bottles until you get down to 0% nic, and if your your experience is like mine, you just wake up one day and don't reach for the vape on the nightstand.
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As far as it being bland, that's why you get the same flavor juice with 0 nicotine and cut it with that. It does reduce the "throat hit" (that feeling you're talking about), but you still get the full flavor.
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Mixed my own until I quit. You have to be vaping the exact same shit constantly to have the taste so dialled in. If it's this slow a taper you're never going to be notice from one week to the other. And while I didn't use a ton, shortfills seemed fine to use with or without nicotine added. Just add less or replace with unflavoured liquid.
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If you mixed 50/50 VG/PG with the juice 1% at a time over months, the difference would be imperceptible. If a person vapes only one flavor, olfactory fatigue is going to take the flavor away way more than even a 50% cut.
That all goes out the window if someone vapes different flavors, though.
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It's also BS because it is 4chan and a lot of their posts are untrue and homosexual.
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Fake and lesbian
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If they were vaping a whole 30ml bottle @ 50mg/mL per week, yeah probably. That's a pretty extreme dependency. I don't know anyone ingesting that much nic, after 7 years in vape industry / over a decade vaping myself. I'm not in the US though, Juul kinda fucked things up over there
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I’ve never in over 10 years seen 50mg/ml eliquid. This has to be salt nic right? Tried that once or twice and that stuff was bonkers. Been around the scene for a while too and even released a few recipes that are on the front page of ELR
https://e-liquid-recipes.com/list?filter=11031
I don’t see how this four Chan guy could have been able to pull off his claim… doesn’t really add up
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She would just hit harder and tape more. Quitting doesn't work this way.
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Did you actually lower by only a percentage a week, or were you doing the normal thing and just buying weaker juice? Commercial vape juices have multiple percentage differences in their nic content between the different "tiers" of juice. That would be much more sudden and noticeable than 1% a week lower.
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I mixed my own juice and controlled the nicotine very precisely
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This is literally how I quit, except I did it intentionally.
But this is fake because the jump from 0.001 to 0.000 was like the ground disappearing beneath my feet.
For the previous week I was only using 0 nic juice in a pod that previously held a tiny amount of nic (we're talking trace amounts near the end - I wasn't feeling a thing).
Anyway I thought I was going through withdrawal so hard with the 0 nic in the used pod, but NOPE switch to 0 nic in a fresh pod and it was like "welcome to withdrawal 2."
Still really happy I quit though. It's so great not going into a panick whenever I misplace my vape for like 42 seconds. That was always so fucking humbling.
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I've also done this to quit vaping. I've quit cold turkey a couple times, but diluting like this was by far easier for me. Still difficult, especially when going to zero nic, but it worked.
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For sure, if cold turkey hasn't worked for someone, I would recommend this option. As hard as it was, it actually stuck (haven't had nic in several years), unlike the hundreds of other times I tried to quit
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50% nic lmao. Fake as hell.
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everyone i know calls 50mg "50%"
everyone.
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Other than being blatantly fake this is really nice.
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It is okay to assume something is real when it doesn't hurt anyone. :)
Cause maybe, juuust maybe, this story will help someone else.
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I unironically did this to taper off nicotine and have been smoke/vape/nicotine free for 6 years
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Anon sounds like a genuinely good partner
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Man, I'd love to do this but I'd feel so bad lying. My partner is trying to stop though, so I am going to show him this juice. Successful marketing, I guess. Could be worse. :)
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meh, good intentions but tampering with someones consumables without permission is assault if you ask me.
If she's old enough to vape then she's old enough to make the decisions for herself
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but she also wanted to quit. this seems fine by me, cuz that shit ain't healthy and anon wasnt forcing her the idea of quitting since she had already tried to do it herself, and the anon also wasn't taking the feeling of winning away from her. just a little white lie to help her achieve her goals.
if she wouldn't want to quit though, that would be pretty fucked
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Assault is when I nerf my partner's vapes
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And then the gf decides she wants to try a new flavor, buys her "normal" nic strength, and fills her vape up with it before anon has a chance to dilute it.
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This would actually work out fine because she'd get he new bottle, hit it as hard as she did with her diluted bottles, then to proceed to throw up. The nausea alone from nicotine overdose should be a decent deterrent.
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For like 20 minutes, or if you had a normal brain, sure
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Nausea isn't overdose but that's a technicality, what I wanted to say is that it's quite hard to get to nausea off a single puff no matter the nic strength because it tastes, for lack of better term, sharp, very noticeably so. Coming off low-concentration juice you'd notice before the vapour goes past your tongue.
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Isnt fine tuning tour dosage literally the point of vapes? There are a lot of fluids with different levels of nicotine. Also from 50% you would fucking die. Its probably 50mg.
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Wouldn't she just use it more often and ultimately get roughly the same dose?
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It's possible, but frequency is determined by more factors than simply relief from nicotine withdrawal. It's also possible that reducing concentration very slightly doesn't change the overall equation enough to actually drive behavioral change. But I'd agree that outcomes are better secured with conscious intent. I think quitting successfully and meaningfully means learning resilience against compulsion to engage in behaviors driven by chemical reactions in the brain, which this approach doesn't do at all.
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Not if you only hit it in certain circumstances, i.e breaks at work, out drinking, etc.
That kind of 1%/week gradual decrease would probably lead to less of an addiction to line up with less of a dose as well.
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Diluting 50 times you'd need one hell of an amount of "dilution formula".
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It's called water
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Pure water will work for a couple of percentage points but above that will not work properly because atomisers expect a certain range of viscosity or they won't wick properly. It's generally a mix of propylene glycol, glycerine, and water. More glycerine means more clouds, natural sweetness, and annoying hygroscopy (i.e. you'll get a dry mouth), while PG is an aroma carrier, less sweet, quite a bit less hygroscopic. It's also the standard solvent for nicotine and aroma, not just vape aromas most food aromas are PG-based, too. Water is there to make the liquid less viscous and/or reduce hygroscopy of the overall mixture.
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Why?
Let's say the original bottle contained 100ml of liquid at a concentration of 50%. You want to want to bring the final concentration down to 1%. You take a new bottle with 98ml of "dilution formula" (probably water) and add 2 ml of the original concentration to it. You now have a liquid with 1% concentration.
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How long does it takes to vape a bottle?
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How big a bottle and how efficient the vape? When I did regularly if I recall a 30 ml bottle would last about a week. That switching from a pack/day smoking for comparison of volume.
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The story is a bit controlling/manipulative in my opinion. Even if the net outcome is good I'd feel like I was overstepping a boundary if I did this to my partner.
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It sounds so freaking fake too.
Tbh, I hope it's real and this woman is free from vape addiction. There's a question here about boundaries but what strikes me the most is that I can't take it seriously. The tone is just so characteristic of these 4chan green texts. No details, no heart. Straight to the point. Short enough to get a bunch of upvotes.
He wrote it like it's a simple story that happened within a week. It just feels manufactured
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It's not manipulation if the manipulatee benefits from it. Besides, he saved her from cancer. Fuck cancer.
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Ehh, it's still manipulation, yeah. No one should have that kind of control over you. What he should have done was talk to her about this method that might work to quit vaping, and help her do it. That way he's not doing all this crap behind her back.
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lmao that’s exactly what I did to quit nicotine altogether. Vaped off of cigarettes, then started lowering the nicotine until about of month of zero, then just stopped completely about two years ago.
But this was when you could order custom nicotine level juice and get it sent though the mail. I figured out that this was too good to last, so I lowered my concentrations kinda quickly. This was fortunate, because not long after I quit, the last high quantity e-juice company I sourced from closed up shop.
TBDLiquids, B-X Vapor, and Blue Dot Vapors, you were the GOAT.
I still have the last half bottle or so of zero nicotine juice as a reminder. So glad I was able to beat the addiction in time.
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Regulations having the exact opposite effect than desired. Classic.
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Serious question: is it just understood and accepted than almost every one the posts on 4chan are obvious fiction? Is it just an accepted part of the culture there?
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Give her a menthol candy, this will help.
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I mean on the one hand they've made someone who's pretty likely to be an asshole to addicts and about addiction for the rest of her life, believing she got over it without any of the problems others describe and thinking they're making excuses or being weak/wimps; and also put her self-esteem up on a pedestal that'll fall over if she ever finds out, but hopefully it doesn't come to that...
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If this was legit, she actually would've quit by herself. The withdrawal symptoms would all be there, just dragging much longer and somewhat more diluted (!) than cutting off cold turkey.
